GINGER IN WONDERLAND

GINGER IN WONDERLAND

An Interview with Jonas Bünger

by Edward ‚Ted‘ Meyer Sonin

GINGER IN WONDERLAND

An Interview with Jonas Bünger

by Edward ‚Ted‘ Meyer Sonin

“Imagine if you could build a city like we’re building DIYs. Obviously, it would be quite chaotic, but it would just be such a beautiful landscape!”

 

Edward ‚Ted‘ Meyer Sonin grew up skating London’s historic Meanwhile Gardens skatepark. He was never a “smart” kid, as he says about himself. Yet, he somehow managed to enter Cambridge University. All throughout his studies, skateboarding has not only helped him keep his sanity, but it also led him to carve out his own niche within the academic field of urban geography. For his undergraduate thesis, titled ‚Fairytale Urbanism‘, he researched the nonlinear architectural dynamics, urban narrativity and cultural politics of Wonderland DIY in the Freetown of Christiana. Among others, he got to speak with the Wonderland wunderkind himself, Jonas Bünger, better known as Ginger. While Ted’s currently preparing his MPhil project on the city of Cambridge’s very own DIY-skate-culture, he still managed to find some time to share the following interview with us – an excerpt from one of his conversations with Ginger in October 2023, the story of Wonderland DIY told by one of its many main characters.

ginger @ fallaedparken2

Ginger putting on a show at Fælledparken’s vert ramp during the Copenhagen Open 2023.

Hey Ginger. How have you been since the night we met in Christiania whilst celebrating the Freetown’s birthday?

I’ve been good, but I got this broken arm right now so haven’t been doing too much recently.

 

Did you not just win a contest the other week?

Yeh on Sunday, but it’s only a little bone that’s broken in my hand, arm and finger so I can still skate. It’s not like I have a broken neck you know.

 

Not really, to me that’s still pretty gnarly. Anyways, Albert (Hatchwell) told me if I’m trying to write the story of Wonderland, I should come and find you.

Albert’s the best. The whole scene in Copenhagen loves him. He’s done so much for Wonderland and me in particular. Without him this place probably wouldn’t exist.

wonderland exterior

Wonderland DIY’s exterior (as of summer 2023). 

When did you start skating at Wonderland?

I started skating when I was 12 in my hometown, but when I turned 15 I saw Wonderland for the first time and just instantly got hooked on the place. It’s like I’ve never left since. After ten years now of skating Wonderland, it’s really my second home. I have a lot of credit to give to Wonderland, for my personality, my way of skateboarding, my mind and just my way of looking at and existing in the world. At this moment, my whole ‘person‘ has developed out of Wonderland. It’s pretty crazy though, the original mini-ramp is from March ’98 and the Bowl from August ’98. I was born May ’98, so my mum was pregnant with me as they were beginning to build Wonderland.

 

What was it that kept drawing you to Wonderland, were there no closer parks to you?

I was skating a lot of different places, but Copenhagen is a small city so Wonderland was never far from a spot. It was like everyone always had this same plan to always end the day at Wonderland. So a lot of the time we would just be there hanging out, not skating at all, just this space where we could spend our time freely without someone telling us what to do.

 

Watching you skate you can see this explicit ‚Wonderland style‘. This gnarly way of skating the locals have. But there’s this welcoming attitude to the community here that you don’t often find in really ‚core‘ local scenes. A clash almost between the gnarly and the homely.

Well it’s part of the Danish personality, in general, to be sweet to everyone but often be quite rude on the inside. But it’s a whole different thing when you get to Wonderland, because everyone is there for the shared love of this place and skateboarding. It’s almost like us locals can feel when someone new is coming in and we can kind of sense whether they have the same feeling about this place as we do or not, whether they are going to be part of this family or not. Put this way, it’s like someone could move into an apartment and live there, but it does not necessarily become a home. But that’s not to say Wonderland’s just for the skaters. It’s a big community space for artists, musicians, graffiti heads as well, it’s just we take up most of the space with the bowl.

Every year during the (Copenhagen) Open it seems Wonderland always ends up opening its doors to house this huge group of skaters from around the world for an insane jam. What’s Wonderland’s relationship with the Open?

It’s always had some connection. For a few years in a row the Open had planned events and scheduled ‚jams‘ at Wonderland, but then it got a bit too much. Too packed and too crazy. I remember having to climb through the balcony just to get in to be able to skate the jam. So they stopped planning sessions here, but when other jams would get rained out, everyone would always just end up at Wonderland. It’s like this place that skaters in Copenhagen can always go to, because Wonderland will always be there, at least for the next 30 years.

 

This year’s (2023) Open jam on the beach got completely rained out and I remember what felt like everyone from the festival, completely unplanned, just drifted over to Wonderland. I ended up squeezed in next to these buckets catching the rainwater coming through the roof, but just from this one night you tell this was a space open to the public regardless of what is happening outside.

This year’s jam wasn’t even that big, nothing compared to back in the day when you would barely be able to get inside the room. Wonderland started out as the only free indoor skatepark in Copenhagen and still is. So if you wanted to skate in the winter and didn’t want or couldn’t pay to go to the CPH indoor (which seems to keep getting more expensive and they’ve had to cut their budget for re-building as well) you could always come here. Wonderland doesn’t really feel anything with finances because it’s a community space, not run like the normal indoor skatepark. It’s the beers you drink when you’re at Wonderland that pretty much hold this space together. We collect all the bottles after they pile up and go to the supermarket to trade them in for money, which we use to keep Wonderland healthy. We just used the bottle money to fix that leaky roof.

wonderland painting

Christopher Kadetzki’s painting of a 2021 CPH Open Wonderland Jam on September 5th.

It’s quite a purist DIY in a very authentic form. Any insane stories behind some of the builds?

The day the loop was built was probably one of the most crazy things I’ve seen. I was with these two American skaters who had just came from a competition in Sweden, Joey Martin who now works for a big concrete firm in the US and Nick Pederson who shreds Burnside. The moment we stepped into Christiania, Albert came running. He knew they were both really good at working with concrete and he’d just found this stairwell at the recycling station and he’d desperately wanted to build a loop for a while. So instantly, they set the stair-rail up in front of the door to Wonderland and just concreted over it. You pretty much had to walk through the loop to get into the park at the time. But it was built and positioned so badly we had to take it all out and start completely from scratch again. I never believed the loop would actually happen, just straight-up DIY really.

 

I can’t imagine many people have been able to skate that thing. But most of Wonderland is pretty gnarly to skate anyways.

It’s funny, Wonderland is inspired by this park in the US called Happyland. If you look that place up, you can see why Wonderland’s design went so crazy and is how it is today.

wonderland bottle recyling

The recycling corner that holds this space together.

wonderland loop

 The Wonderland loop (as of Summer 2023).

christiania recylcing station

Wonderland’s neighbour, the waste station.

It seems that Christiania and its culture has changed quite a lot since 1998 in a way that’s impeded the DIY culture, causing some tension and conflict between the skaters and Christiania.

It’s kind of weird, but now we have to implement these 10pm curfews for Wonderland because of what’s happened to Christiania. We still have Fridays though which is sacred to the community, kind of our party day. For me though, Wonderland is the only part of the original Christiania that’s left. If you don’t have any money you can’t get anything in Christiania anymore, but you can come to Wonderland and it functions as this place of help. The soul benefit is the wealth of freedom you have in here that you don’t really have out there in Christiania anymore, a place we all feel a co-ownership of. Whatever you want to build, you can do it here and we will help you. Apart from the golden rule that you don’t touch the bowl, everything else is fair game to be re-built, re-assembled or whatever. That’s something you can’t do anywhere else in Christiania anymore. Even with the art and sculptures we installed out in the front of the park, we were told that they had to get taken down straight away!

 

Because of the local building laws or why?

Because we didn’t ask for permission. There’s these funny rules in Christiania that if you want to build something, you need to put it up for discussion in your local area meeting for everyone to agree on it. Even if you wanted to build yourself a new kitchen in your own house, you can’t do it without everyone agreeing on it. That’s why when Albert built the ALIS shop next door, he did it in one weekend and paid for everything himself, because he would have never gotten the permission to. Wonderland has always been about ‚asking for forgiveness instead of permission‘ and there was only so many times we could get away with that. So there was actually a period when Christiania enforced this building curfew on the skaters, where we couldn’t build any more concrete without permission or “something bad” would happen. They were pretty mad at us, but as you know the concrete is all still there. But it was during that period of conflict and tension that Hullet DIY came about. The skaters had to find another place to keep building. There’s some crazy stories to its creation, like 20 skaters all there for 6 months, digging this massive hole in the ground. At the time, Fallaedpark was being built and people started taking wood and rebar from the construction site and bringing it down the road to build what’s now Hullet DIY. So in the end, the building curfew in Christiania wasn’t just an entirely bad thing, because now we have Hullet. There’s this saying at Wonderland: From shit comes good!

Wonderland in the mid-2000s.

I’ve heard this saying from Albert before and it really captures the DIY ethos of Wonderland since 1998 as one of adaptation, re-use and endurance.

For sure. The initial Wonderland mini-ramp was built in April 98′ in a different part of Christiania. But the neighbours were complaining about the noise and in anger, Albert sawed the ramp in half and moved it to where we are now, next to the waste station. So, if we never had to move in the first place, Wonderland wouldn’t have found the place where it’s been now for the last 25 years. From shit comes good!

 

Unlike most DIY’s which often end up as these demolished temporary spaces, Wonderland’s seemed to achieve this degree of permanence after 25 years. What’s been the most recent tactic to keep this park around even longer?

The solar panels we installed on Wonderland’s roof in 2015! We barely knew what we were doing, but Christiania paid for it. They provide a lot of electricity for the commune and we realised Wonderland got a good deal out of it. You have to imagine Wonderland was like any other skatepark or DIY that could be closed at any moment without much resistance. But with the solar panelled-roof, they will never actually destroy Wonderland because then Christiania would lose all the electricity and all the money spent. So it’s pretty much a win-win scenario for us and Christiania. In general though, it’s just a matter of caring for the park and a community coming together to put constant work into maintaining, repairing and keeping the space alive. I slept on the roof for three months whilst trying to install those solar panels.

 

It shows how adaptable and makeshift skaters can be, the care we have for these collective spaces and the efforts generated to maintain them. It sounds unusual to say, but Wonderland’s like this quasi home of sorts. I’ve heard a few stories of skaters actually sleeping and living in Wonderland.

That was pretty normal, especially if you were a pro skater visiting Copenhagen without much money. I remember Cody Lockwood brought a hammock with him, which was pretty genius. When I was younger I lived two hours outside of Copenhagen, so most nights I’d end up sleeping there. We are pretty much just one big family, just like in the movie Alice in Wonderland and that random family. The family portrait on the wall captures it pretty well, all the individuals across the years, who make up this community.

wonderland interior

Wonderland’s interior. Notice the solar panels above and the exhibition of old boards lining the wall.

There’s such a rich narrative to Wonderland. The walls basically function as this ad-hoc exhibition in themselves, all the old boards, graphics and skate paraphernalia dotted around.

Still to this day I’m looking around when I’m there and I spot stuff on the walls I hadn’t noticed before and hear new stories about Wonderland. Like Rune Gilfberg and Nicky Guerro used to skate here and their old boards are still up on the wall. There’s all the stories about Tom Penny in Wonderland and just so many iconic skaters have been here. It’s pretty much a living museum of skate history. If you spend a whole day here in the summertime, there’s often these guided tours of Christiania and even they come inside Wonderland. So, it’s a really hard task to write the history of Wonderland, because there’s all these endless stories and characters you’ll need to uncover. And there’s all these different things now, that are connected to the place: Hullet DIY of course, WonderConcrete (a firm that builds skateparks across Denmark) and then there’s the Make Life Skate Life project. Albert’s a part of it and they’ve built skateparks all across the world in places like Nepal, Pakistan and Morocco. At one point, there was even a replica of Wonderland built in Osaka, Japan.

 

What do you see for the next 25 years of Wonderland?

Well, recently it’s been tough for Wonderland, and not even just the whole ALIS situation. First was what happened around COVID. Before the pandemic, there was already this feeling that some of the locals were disappearing and had found other purposes, so when COVID hit it was a sad time for Wonderland. Christiania closed down and we weren’t allowed to skate the park, so even more people began to disappear. This idea of Wonderland ‚locals‘ is less of a thing these days, as the community is getting somewhat smaller. And that’s alongside all the issues in Christiania with Pusher Street. For almost all the time I’ve been here, Christiania has always been about peace, love and unity, but some years back before COVID, the gangs here started to get violent. For the first five years that I was here, I never head anything about a single death – maybe a fight now and then, but never anything else. Now it’s a completely different situation. For the last five years we’ve lost someone every year in Christiania. The most recent was someone two years younger than me, a guy from Christiania with no gang relations at all, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. So at the moment it’s pretty fucked up. We want the gangs out, but Christiania is the guy being bullied in the corner and they are the ones with guns. So it’s a tough period right now, but hopefully Christiania will stand stronger on the other side. Not many DIY’s get to exist even for this long, but Wonderland will outlive Pusher Street! *As of now, over a year later on from this initial conversation, Pusher Street is gone.

wonderland board wall

Board signs directing to the multiple skateparks connected to Wonderland’s web of DIY skate culture.

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